Behind the Curtains: Wambui's Fun Tales from Gone With The Wind


Wambui spills the beans on her unforgettable journey as Prissy in a musical adaptation of the classic film "Gone with the Wind." She dives into the chaos of auditioning with a headband to hide her newly blonde hair, which definitely didn't scream "slave" vibes. Despite some disappointments due to copyright restrictions on iconic lines, she shares hilarious anecdotes, including navigating this elaborate production featuring real horses and an unforgettable burning Atlanta scene. Wambui fondly reminisces about her co-stars and the camaraderie among the cast, even pointing out the quirks of a fellow dancer who never wore the same outfit twice! With a dash of nostalgia and a sprinkle of humor, she reflects on her experiences and the impact of the film's legacy, leaving listeners with plenty of laughs and a few thoughtful moments about the shifting perceptions of such a classic.
Show Notes:
Wambui takes listeners on a nostalgic journey back to 1976, sharing her experience of auditioning for the role of Prissy in a musical adaptation of the iconic film 'Gone With The Wind'. Living in New York City at the time, Wambui was eager for her next acting gig when she received a call about this exciting opportunity. Despite her recent decision to go blonde, which she humorously describes as a phase that didn't quite align with the portrayal of a slave character, she cleverly masked her hair with a bandana for the audition. Wambui's infectious excitement is palpable as she recounts her surprise at being cast, especially when she learned that theater legend Pearl Bailey was in the room during her audition. This episode beautifully blends humor and heartfelt storytelling as Wambui shares the highs and lows of the production, including the challenges posed by copyright restrictions that prevented her from delivering some of the film's most famous lines. The journey didn’t stop in Dallas; she also reflects on performances in Atlanta, Kansas City, and Miami Beach, bringing each location to life with vivid anecdotes about the cast, the production, and the unforgettable moments that made each city unique. Wambui's warmth and humor shine throughout, making this episode a delightful listen for theater enthusiasts and casual listeners alike.
Takeaways:
- Wambui shares her unique experience auditioning for the role of Prissy in a musical adaptation of Gone With The Wind, despite her hair being blonde at the time.
- Throughout her audition, Wambui cleverly used a bandana to disguise her hair, which led the casting team to think it was an intentional character choice.
- She recounts the sheer excitement of performing in a grand production with a real horse and elaborate scene effects, like the burning of Atlanta, all while having a blast with her fellow cast members.
- Wambui humorously highlights the disappointment of not being able to deliver iconic lines from the original movie, like Prissy's famous quote about birthing babies, due to copyright restrictions.
- The camaraderie among the cast was palpable, with memorable moments, such as the lead actor David Canary advocating for all cast members to be invited to the opening night party.
- Wambui reflects on the cultural significance of the original film and her respect for the actors who portrayed the characters initially, especially Hattie McDaniel, the first African American to win an Oscar.
Companies mentioned in this episode:
- Disney
- All My Children
- Gone with the Wind
- Butterfly McQueen
- Hattie McDaniel
- Hello Dolly
I'm going to start with a story that starts in 1976.
Speaker AI'm 26 years old, living in New York City.
Speaker AI'm an actress.
Speaker AOf course, as an actress, you're always looking for your next job.
Speaker ASo I get a call that they're looking for a press seat for a musical version of Gone with the Wind.
Speaker ANow, I'd heard about a musical version of Gone with the Wind a few years prior.
Speaker AI think it started on the west coast, and then it ended up in London.
Speaker AI don't know what happened to it after that.
Speaker ASo this was a call.
Speaker AThey were trying to cast a prissy for a Dallas summer musicals production that would go to a few other cities, and if everything went well, it would come back to Broadway in the fall.
Speaker ASo I wanted to audition.
Speaker APlus, I loved watching Butterfly McQueen in that movie.
Speaker AAnd so I thought, well, yeah, I'd like to be prissy in a musical version of Gone with the Wind.
Speaker AProblem was, I had just decided to go through my blonde phase a few days before I got to call.
Speaker AMy hair was blonde.
Speaker ANow, I'm not saying it was white or platinum.
Speaker AI'm saying it was significantly light or lighter.
Speaker AAnd so it didn't look very slave like.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker ASo I decided I was going to go to the audition anyway, and I would just wear a bandana around my head when it was time to audition, which is exactly what I did.
Speaker AAnd ordinarily I don't think I would do that, but I was auditioning for a slave, and people just thought it was part of the character, that I'm really getting into it.
Speaker ASo I.
Speaker ABecause I had my bandana covering my head.
Speaker ASo I went into the audition and they asked me to say my name.
Speaker ANow, that's not uncommon for them to ask you to say your name sometimes just to get you talking, hear you talk, and sometimes just to make sure you have.
Speaker AThey have the right person.
Speaker ASo, plus my name.
Speaker AI was asked about my name more when my name was John Ann Washington, which is my birth name and my actor's union name that I had back in 1976.
Speaker AAnd so I.
Speaker AI used to get asked more about my name, which was John Ann Washington, more than I get asked about my name today.
Speaker ASo they asked my name, and I told them my name.
Speaker ANow, in the room, there were about three people who were part of the audition process, but then there was a black woman who was sitting kind of off to the side who didn't seem to be part of the process.
Speaker AShe seemed to be maybe someone's guest or someone that they had invited just to sit in on the auditions.
Speaker ASo when I said my name, this very distinct voice from this black woman that was sitting off on the side, this very distinct voice said, what kind of name is that?
Speaker AI would know the voice of Pearl Bailey anywhere because I grew up with Pearl Bailey in my house.
Speaker AMy father had every single Pearl Bailey record album, anything.
Speaker AIf Pearl Bailey did it, he had it.
Speaker ASo I knew her, I admired her.
Speaker AI loved her.
Speaker AThe first Broadway show I ever saw was hello Dolly starring Pearl Bailey.
Speaker AI just always thought she was beautiful.
Speaker AI admired her.
Speaker AI loved the way she dressed and I loved her risque songs.
Speaker AI just loved everything about her.
Speaker AI thought she was a fabulous entertainer.
Speaker ANow to this day, I don't know why she was in the room.
Speaker ALike I said, perhaps she was a guest of someone or just invited to sit in because there was no connection other than that when she asked about my name.
Speaker AAnd so I told her about my name.
Speaker ASo I auditioned and I was cast as Prissy.
Speaker ASo I immediately, of course, went and dyed my hair back.
Speaker AAnd there were three, four of us coming from New York.
Speaker AThat would be Prissy, Mammy, Scarlet and Rhett Butler.
Speaker ASo the woman who was going to be Mammy was a woman named Katherine Kelly.
Speaker AI know there is a white actress named Catherine Kelly, not to be confused.
Speaker AOur Mammy was named for the show was Katherine Kelly.
Speaker ASherri Mathis was Scarlett O'Hara.
Speaker AWonderful actress and most.
Speaker AA lot of people know her from the soap operas.
Speaker AAnd then David Canary.
Speaker AOh, my God, David Canary.
Speaker ASuch a wonderful resume down and around the world.
Speaker ABut I think again, most people would know him and know him as one of Erica's husband's.
Speaker AI think the main husband for Erica on All My Children.
Speaker AWhat a great guy.
Speaker AHe has since passed on.
Speaker ASo we were coming from New York, the four of us, and we were going to join the Dallas local actors who would fill in the other parts and the chorus and all of that.
Speaker AWhen I say this was a grand production, it seemed like a production where no expense was spared.
Speaker AThat's what it appeared to be to me.
Speaker AI know that at one point there was a real horse on stage.
Speaker AI know that there were all these guys who were hired just to be wounded and dead bodies.
Speaker AIt was just fabulous.
Speaker AI understand it was Disney who came in and helped them do the burning of Atlanta scene.
Speaker AAnd when Atlanta burned, you would have thought that theater was on fire.
Speaker AIt was so amazing.
Speaker AIt was just a really fabulous and grand production that I was so Proud and happy to be a part of.
Speaker ANow, there were two disappointments, two disappointments in that production.
Speaker ANow, it had nothing to do with the actors, the acting, the directing, the production had nothing to do with that.
Speaker AAll of that was amazing.
Speaker AThe two disappointing moments in the show were had to do with copyright because we were told we could not say any lines that were unique to the movie.
Speaker AWe could only say lines that were in the book.
Speaker ASay lines that were in the book.
Speaker ABut if there was a line that was unique just to the movie, then we could not say that in our production.
Speaker ASo guess what that meant.
Speaker AThat meant that I could not say prissy, could not say, I don't know nothing about birthing babies.
Speaker AI had to say having or something.
Speaker AI just could not say, I don't know nothing about birthing babies.
Speaker ASo when I got to that part, I was always thinking that the audience is always thinking, oh, this is some actress.
Speaker AShe can't even get that one important line right.
Speaker AOr every night I kept waiting for somebody to say, it's birthing, it's birthing.
Speaker ABut I was not allowed to say, I don't know nothing about birthing babies.
Speaker AAnd the other line, oh, my goodness, I feel like a lot of people were coming to the show, a lot of them, just to hear that one line.
Speaker AAnd that was the line where Rhett Butler at the end of the movie says, frankly, Scarlet, I don't give a damn.
Speaker AWell, that was unique to the movie.
Speaker ASo he was not allowed to say that in this production.
Speaker ASo he had to use a workaround.
Speaker AIt was good.
Speaker AHe was a great actor, but it wasn't the same.
Speaker AAnother memory, and these memories are in no particular order, but I remember there was this fabulous chorus of dancers and singers, and there was every.
Speaker AI.
Speaker AIt was to my recollection and from my point of view, everybody just got along really fabulously and it was just a really fabulous production and we all had a really good time.
Speaker ASo I remember one of the dancers, a young.
Speaker ALike a girl I'm going to call a girl.
Speaker AI think she maybe have been maybe in her late teens, early 20s, very pretty girl, very nice girl, Just.
Speaker AJust a real good personality.
Speaker AAnd she was.
Speaker AWell, I'm going to.
Speaker AThe only way I can describe her is like what you think of when you think of a Barbie doll.
Speaker AThat's, you know, because she was a dancer, so she had the nice body and she had this long blonde hair.
Speaker ABut I used to watch her because from the first day I started noticing that whenever we had a break, whether it was a lunch break, a five minute break, a ten minute break.
Speaker AIf there was a break.
Speaker AWhen she came back, she had on a whole new set of dancing clothes.
Speaker AAnd she always had a bow that match.
Speaker AAnd so throughout the rehearsal process, I would watch her and I always be curious to see what she was going to have on when we would get back from break.
Speaker AAnd to my recollection, I never saw her wear the same outfit twice.
Speaker AOkay, I know what does that have to do with any.
Speaker ABut it is a memory.
Speaker AAnd I have carried that memory with me all these years.
Speaker AIt's just something that stands out in my mind.
Speaker AThe other memory that I have is when we're doing the show.
Speaker AThere was a part at the barbecue scene where me and another young black actor would start a cakewalk dance at the barbecue.
Speaker AAnd we would do a few steps, I mean, very few together, and then we'd kind of like saunter off the stage.
Speaker AAnd as we were sauntering off the stage, this flood of chorus dancers came onto the stage and they were twirling each other and throwing each other in the air and swinging each other and splitting and jumping and hopping, and they were just fabulous.
Speaker AAnd that went on for a significant amount of time.
Speaker AAnd then when that ended, they would kind of dance their way off stage while me and this young black actor would kind of just stand, step our way back on stage.
Speaker AAnd we would be there in the center stage as the song ended and we would get all of the applause.
Speaker AAnd I just always thought there was something wrong with that, but not enough to complain because it also was just something about it.
Speaker ASo fabulous.
Speaker AI also remember that the woman who played Scarlet's mother invited me to her home in Dallas because she said her husband had just bought her a new microwave oven.
Speaker AThis is 1976, a microwave oven.
Speaker AAnd that she wanted to experiment and try it out.
Speaker AAnd she said, I want you to come to my house.
Speaker AI'm going to cook you dinner.
Speaker AAnd I'm going to have all these courses, and every course I make, everything I make, I'm going to make it in the microwave oven.
Speaker AAnd so I went to her house, and that was a lot of fun.
Speaker AAnd her family was really kind to me and it was a great meal.
Speaker AAlthough today I won't go near anything that I think had been cooked in a microwave oven.
Speaker ABut at that time, it was so fabulous and so much fun.
Speaker AI'm just talking about some of the amazing memories that I have.
Speaker AI have a memory of when it was approaching our opening night and Word was getting around that everybody in the show was not going to be invited to the party.
Speaker AThere was a certain cutoff.
Speaker ANow, it wasn't going to affect me because I was a principal from New York and so.
Speaker ABut I believe there was some kind of cutoff they were doing that seemed unfair for all the people that had worked so hard to make this production work.
Speaker ASo I do remember that David Canary, the actor who was playing Rhett Butler, did let them know that if all of us couldn't come, then he wouldn't be coming to the party either.
Speaker AAnd so all of us were invited to the opening night party.
Speaker AAnd it was quite fabulous.
Speaker ALet's see, what are some other memories?
Speaker AI remember.
Speaker AI remember because I was from New York, people would often come to me and say, well, have you done a Dallas barbecue yet?
Speaker AAnd I would say, well, yes, and I say, so.
Speaker AAnd so had us over to their house and they had a barbecue and they'd say, what?
Speaker AThey don't know how to do a barbecue?
Speaker AYou haven't been to a barbecue.
Speaker AYou have to come to our house for a barbecue.
Speaker AAnd so it seemed like everybody was trying to top everybody with their barbecue.
Speaker AAnd people were always say, have you been to a barbecue yet here in Dallas?
Speaker AAnd I'd say, well, yeah, went here, Went here.
Speaker AWhen here, they said, no, those weren't barbecues.
Speaker AYou gotta come over to our house.
Speaker ASo we were constantly and always being invited to different people's houses for barbecue.
Speaker AWhen the show left Dallas, Texas, we went to Atlanta, Georgia, and then we went to Kansas City, Missouri, the Starlight Theater in Kansas City, Missouri, one of the most fabulous places to do theater because you're outdoors, you're in the open, you're actually performing under the stars.
Speaker AThe best memory, the best feeling that I have sometimes is when I think about doing a show like Gone with the Wind, outdoors, on a stage underneath the stars.
Speaker AAfter Kansas City, Missouri, we went to Miami Beach, Florida.
Speaker AAnd the thing I remember about that show, one of the things that stands out about Miami Beach, Florida, was every city we would go to, we'd pick up a young child, a young girl to play the daughter of Rhett Butler and Scarlett.
Speaker AAnd in the movie, her name is Bonnie Blue.
Speaker ABonnie Blue Butler.
Speaker ASo Bonnie Blue was kind of a small part, but of course an important part.
Speaker AAnd so instead of having a child travel with us, we'd just pick up a child in.
Speaker AIn each city that we'd get to.
Speaker AWhen we got to Miami Beach, Florida, the young lady that had been cast to be the daughter of Scarlet and Rhett.
Speaker AThe woman, the girl who was going to be Bonnie Blue Butler, was Hispanic and she had a very heavy Spanish accent, which to me just made me laugh every time I'd see the scene because her parents were very Southern and kind of that droll thing going on.
Speaker AAnd then she had this Hispanic accent.
Speaker AAnd I just thought that was.
Speaker AI'll never forget that.
Speaker AI just thought it was quite interesting.
Speaker AI don't know how that happened, but it did.
Speaker ASo those are just some of the memories that I have about Gone with the Wind.
Speaker AAnd these are memories that I treasure.
Speaker AI also remember that when I first got a VHS in the 80s, I believe the first VHS or first movie that I purchased was the two set, the two volume set of Gone with the Wind.
Speaker ASo I always thought it was a beautiful piece of art.
Speaker AWhen I was playing Prissy, I knew that I was acting, that I was not really a slave.
Speaker AOoh, I remember how much respect and love I had for Butterfly McQueen, who was Prissy in the movie, and Ms.
Speaker AHattie McDaniel, who was Mammy in the movie.
Speaker AAnd it was in this movie, as a result of this movie, that the first person of color received an Oscar, and that was Hattie McDaniel for the role of Mammy in Gone with the Wind.
Speaker AAnd so lately, when I hear people talking about, as you young people might say, canceling Gone with the Wind or talk about perhaps banning Gone with the Wind, it feels a little strange to hear that.
Speaker AMaybe because I have different memories than other people do.
Speaker ABut I'm just here today to say that I never thought I'd live to see the day when people would want to or be talking about banning Gone with the Wind.